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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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fear and the oldest and strongest type

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities imagine this next hour

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as a voyage of discovery to strange

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board

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as we begin this adventure together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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i'm your host lon strickler and i thank

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you for joining me here on the

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paranormal king

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radio network now before i

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introduce my guest i'd like to present

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an account that was recently forwarded

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to me

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the witness states about two years ago

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i had an encounter with something i

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can't explain

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and the reason i'm writing is because i

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saw some strange footprints yesterday

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where i encountered it two years ago he

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said he lives in finland near the coast

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now two years ago

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i was out hunting and i was getting lit

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it was getting late and dark so i

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decided to head back home

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i had about a two or three kilometer

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walk through the forest to get to my car

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he had gotten pitch black outside and at

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this point so i had

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an led head headlamp for light as a walk

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and as i walked i kept hearing unusually

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loud

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sounds too i knew something big was

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it was i was 100 sure it was a moose

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as i've encountered lots of those in in

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the forest and they do make a lot of

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noise of vibrations

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when they walk now i couldn't see

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anything

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though it was getting closer to me now

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all of a sudden this super

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awful smell hits me it smells like feces

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and something really rotten my hair

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stands up and i raise

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my shotgun as my whole body

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instinctively tells me to run

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i just stand still and listen and as the

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sounds get closer i see what looks like

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a humanoid figure standing

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on two feet really tall and it had

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easily been with two mirrors

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but slender and muscular at the same

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time and kind of crouched down

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posture it looked almost like a werewolf

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from the movies

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but at the same time it wasn't it was it

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was quite far away so my light barely

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went that far but i could still see it

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its eyes shined red from my led headlamp

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as well

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it looked at me for about three seconds

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it was but it was breathing weirdly i

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think it could smell the two ducks i had

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in my backpack

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it slowly walked away i even filmed a

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little bit of it

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as i started walking and uh with my

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was fairly old and it was dark so

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you can't really see it just hear a lot

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anyway i told my some friends and fellow

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hunters

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a couple of heard and seen strange

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things as well

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so i don't know what he saw but

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you know it's kind of par for the course

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for a lot of the reports we've been

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getting around here in pennsylvania

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though that's in finland it's it's

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interesting to get a uh

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report over in europe occasionally right

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but uh

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you know these uh these upright

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beings uh call them

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either canines and of course bigfoot

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it's a worldwide phenomenon

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so let's get started okay all right

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tonight's

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ufo military author as well as a radio

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host

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mac has written more than 50 novels

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including military thrillers

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men's action adventure science fiction

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and historical fiction

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he created a long-running wingman series

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with one million copies sold

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his most recent non-fiction title is mac

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maloney's haunted universe

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and is also the host of mcmaloney's

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military x-files

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he has also worked as a consultant to a

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company working with the u.s government

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on anti-terror

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terrorist programs mack is a native of

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boston

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and a graduate of emerson college his

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website can be found at mcmaloney.com

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so mac thanks for joining me thanks lon

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thanks for having me on

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been a while since we talked right now

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i think the uh yeah i just published um

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ufos and military i think that was your

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like that that the book

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was when the last time i talked to you

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about four years ago i guess

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right yeah ufos and what time yeah yeah

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so um you know that's been several years

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referencing the foo fighter phenomena

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over europe during world war

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or the same phenomena that pilots have

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encountered during other conflicts

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same thing for sure you know

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the whole idea of ufos and wartime the

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idea to even write a book was we were

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once my editor and i you know like a

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three-month annie lunch type thing

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and um you know i said you know it just

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you know i i read a lot of ufo books

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growing up as a kid

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and it always was in my mind that it

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seems like more ufos are seen more

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during war time than

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peace time and i just threw that out and

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he said well that'd be that's

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interesting why would that be and

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and i don't know more people looking up

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at the sky more people flying

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more chances to spot ufos you know who

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so that's how that book came about and

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a couple hundred stories on instances

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where ufos showed up

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remember but there were a lot of them

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if if people if if ufos show up

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in wartime more than peacetime but

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case that people

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see more ufos during war time is it is

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ours as we as i said before uh people

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theories about what

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what people think it is you know people

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say well maybe it's the stress

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time extraterrestrial phenomena you know

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unquote simple as they may be time tours

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where you know they could be from our

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future coming back to see

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you know history being made and some

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people like come back and say you know

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um so you know it might be something

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when they when they they know what the

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planet venus looks like you know they

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the they know what a comet looks like

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they know what you know

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reflections off the ocean from oil rigs

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they haven't seen before

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think it's unusual then it sure is

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that maybe the nazis had some type of

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secret weapon that they were using or

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disruption with with

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the bombers and such right i don't know

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how much of that you

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buy into i don't i don't i don't buy

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into any of the nazi

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ufo thing because and we talk about this

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and we talk about in ufos and what time

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who knows why uh people want to kind of

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link these two things you know uh but

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germans you know fielded the first jet

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fighter it was a real danger

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it came too late in the war really to do

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how would they have disruptors and

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ray guns and you know a base on the moon

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and the basin antarctica and everything

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they lost the war if they had any kind

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any kind of technology like that why did

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they lose the law you know so

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i don't buy any of that nazis uh had you

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know ufo help or

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help from aliens or or whatever i it

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just doesn't

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if you look at the you know the facts

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after world war ii we went through the

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united

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states went through in russia and went

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through everything any german scientist

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ever did

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we took a lot of that technology we took

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that scientists they put us on the moon

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they found absolutely no evidence that

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the nazis were building

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ufos or had nuclear yellow bell

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and nuclear power and anti-grav it none

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of it holds up

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you know it's all just myth yeah you

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know i read

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as much as possible as far as operation

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paper clip after the war

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and i really didn't see anything that

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really proved or even

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uh gave much basis to any of those

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theories so it keeps it seems to prevail

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all the time i mean you know

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uh it seems like every time you turn

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around and the nazi comes up here and

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there and the germans

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developed this or possibly developed

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that and

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uh i i just don't see it as well

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no i mean you know they they were they

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did have these things

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they're wonder weapons there's no doubt

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about it you know the v1 v2

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rockets they were the first ones to

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develop a tv bomb they actually had a

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bomb that they would drop from a

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from a a an airplane and the um

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bombardier would guide it down with with

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the television set you know it was like

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the first smart weapon they did have

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these things

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but they didn't have the military

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the capacity the natural the national

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capacity to

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build these things you know in numbers

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that would have had some effect in the

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wall because they were getting bombed

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around the clock

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for four years and uh you know they were

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they were just running out of stuff they

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were running out of rubber you know they

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they ran out of oil that's how you know

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they they invented synthetic oil

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practically and um um you know so

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like you know anyone who makes the who

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you know we have on the show at times

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that makes that argument i just said

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well if they had all you know once can

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go back to it if they had all this

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technology why did they lose the war

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exactly so uh your newest book the

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haunted universe is it's full of a lot

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of

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possible ufo military connections and a

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wide variety unusual events now

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you've had some several strange

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encounters as well can you describe

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some of your uh uh

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you know your better personal events

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personal encounters

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well i've never seen a ufo i have to say

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that

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looking every day but

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you know i i have this feeling that um

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you know if you're looking for ufos

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you're never going to see one

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it seems like the people who i'm looking

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for are the ones that see them you know

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it's kind of in

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and i think in itself that's that's kind

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of a phenomena

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um you know ghosts things like that

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uh you know just not for me you know i i

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the only real thing that

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i can uh point to is you know we at at

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college when i was in college you know a

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bunch of us you know rented a house and

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i you know we all had

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um it were assigned a bedroom in my

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bedroom for some reason

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it seemed like i could hear no matter

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when i was in there i could hear like

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voices almost like there were voices

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uh talking in the next room over but it

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would happen when i was alone and

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i remember going outside once and seeing

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can i am i hearing next door

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neighbors and it wasn't it was just it

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was just

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it's never happened to me before or

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since but just in this one particular

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room

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for one year um and i'd kind of get used

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to it it was kind of funny you know but

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i would hear like

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conversations going on and and there was

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no one there but that's the closest i've

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ever really got to

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something uh paranormal

401
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yeah you you've really did a lot of

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research for this book i mean there's a

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lot of different things in there

404
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uh it's just not ufos it's a lot of

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different i i recommend to anybody it's

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it's it's very well done

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it's got a lot of good references to it

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thanks um

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what's your favorite story out of your

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book anyway

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well wow um

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as many as you want to talk about that's

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right um

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i think there's more you know i never

415
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really sat down and encountered exactly

416
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how many

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um stories are in there it's about 250

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to 300

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and you know for some reason i'm like

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kind of partial to

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ghost airplane stories yeah and uh

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there's one

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in with you know without getting bogged

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down in the dates and times and

425
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everything exact dates but basically

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what happened was

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uh there's a um it was in the 80s and

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out in los angeles and los angeles area

429
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there's an airport it's

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it's a semi-private airport it's called

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john wayne airport it's in orange county

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okay where a lot of you know the

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hollywood the beautiful people live

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right so it's one of these places where

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you can't take off before 8 a.m and you

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can't land after 8 p.m because of noise

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restrictions

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and a lot of these people basically it's

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the private planes for the um for the

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stars that's where they um

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they they um hang on them and have them

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maintained and stuff so anyway

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um one sunday morning a one of these

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little racing planes that you see you

445
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know that they're like all fuselage and

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an

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engine you know on them it's it's a

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racing plane um

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and um a one-man racing plane one of

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them shows up over this

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airport a sunday one is around seven in

452
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the morning and started doing

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uh aerobatics over the um airport

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so now it was in violation of the uh

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of the noise restrictions so a computer

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automatically generated a um

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a warning letter letter to the owner and

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automatically sent it

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to the owner and the reason they knew

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who's playing it was was

461
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so many witnesses saw it they were able

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to write down the tail

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number on the plane right okay so

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as it turns out the plane um

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um belonged to

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one of the mercury astronauts one of the

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original mercury astronauts and

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um he uh and

469
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now people knew how many times that you

470
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know that he flew a lot

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that he uh you know after he retired

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from

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nasa he flew a lot he flew you know out

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of this airport every once in a while

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and um so

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well as it turned out though he this

477
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morning that these people saw

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this going on with a lot of witnesses he

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had died like four hours before

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oh uh and he was uh he was

481
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uh yeah and no one could ever explain it

482
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you know no one could ever explain it

483
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um that was one of my favorite ones

484
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there's a lot of you know there's a lot

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of just a compilation of stories about

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in uh in the uk um which is like an

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especially haunted place

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they're uh you know everyone i think

489
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knows what spitfires you know uh they

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were the the plane

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that the british used in the battle of

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britain and all through world war ii and

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you know it's a really cool plane

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almost like a sports car plane has a

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rolls-royce engine and so on

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uh people still see these things flying

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over old uh

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air fields in in england and i think

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there's something like 39 spitfires

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um are uh still flying they um

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are in flying conditions a lot of them

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are in museums uh some of them are down

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in argentina and so on but

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there were there was you know let's say

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maybe a couple dozen

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in england that they use so

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you know aerial parades and you know

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to fly over the palace during the

509
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queen's birthday that kind of stuff

510
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so they know where all these up yet

511
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people see

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these spitfires flying over these old

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auxiliary bases they used during world

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war ii the people were able to

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once again write down the numbers and

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check back and it turns out you know

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that plane hasn't been

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uh that have plane has been seen in you

519
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know 100 years or something or since the

520
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war

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and it happens so much over there it it

522
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it it's it's very strange people see

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ghost airplanes flying around

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a lot in england and they're always

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these kind of world war two planes you

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know

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um they're almost like stuck in time or

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something

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um so i i like the ghost airplane um

530
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stories uh we talk about strange places

531
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around the world

532
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uh there's a place in um in russia

533
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called uh

534
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caspanya where caputo and and

535
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it's a combination of area 51 in

536
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uh lake cape canaveral let's say and um

537
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this is where they launch a lot of their

538
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:05,440
uh military stuff but they also store

539
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:06,799
lots of nuclear weapons

540
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:08,960
there was a ufo sighting over there in

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the i believe is in the

542
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in the late 70s or early 80s where

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a ufo hovered over the nuclear storage

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sites of this place

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for more than half hours 30 people saw

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it

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was um you know just

548
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once again well documented now the

549
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,000
strange thing about it is that the

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people who went in to

551
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investigate it and to you know take

552
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people's testimony was the kgb

553
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:36,880
now you're not going to lie to the kgb

554
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you know what i mean you're not going to

555
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:40,320
hey why lie to them and and they have

556
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:42,080
like 30 eyewitnesses

557
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:44,960
reports about this ufo coming very close

558
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,440
to their nuclear storage uh facilities

559
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,120
um you know things like that you know

560
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:51,039
just odd places around the world odd

561
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:52,720
events that happen around the world and

562
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and really the book was i had so much

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research left over from doing the

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previous books

565
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,200
ufos all the time and another book i did

566
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:01,120
called beyond area 51 plus

567
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:02,960
we use a lot of research on the show and

568
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,720
i worked with turner broadcasting

569
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:06,640
for a while for their website called

570
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:08,159
conspiratorium we used to deal with

571
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:09,600
weird stories all the time so i had all

572
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,320
this research

573
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:12,320
here in my office and i said you know i

574
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:14,080
want to just you know compile it in

575
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:17,039
a um in a book like this and and put it

576
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,240
out and that's what happened and

577
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,640
you know people like it yeah it's a cool

578
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,400
book it's got a it's got a lot of

579
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:23,919
different stuff in there

580
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:27,679
um you know you were mentioning the um

581
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,320
the ufo seen around nuclear facilities

582
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:32,960
in in the old soviet union you know what

583
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:36,240
it's interesting that when um when

584
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:38,240
the soviet union fell and some of the

585
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:39,840
stories started coming out

586
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,320
out of russia it's you know it's a

587
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:43,600
wonder

588
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:45,760
we never had a nuclear i mean we've come

589
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,840
close but we've never had a nuclear

590
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,440
disaster because

591
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,919
you know a nuclear war because of all

592
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:52,960
the activity

593
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:55,520
that is had come forward in the old

594
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:56,720
soviet union

595
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,360
right in in during the during the late

596
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:01,200
60s through the 70s

597
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:04,880
um the u.s and russia

598
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,679
it was like a new era in icbms where you

599
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:08,880
could put

600
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,679
a number of warheads on top of an icbm

601
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,520
and you know just so one icbm

602
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,880
taking off and it could you know

603
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,960
individually target maybe six or seven

604
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:18,480
enemy cities you know that's

605
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:21,440
that's a lot of firepower so uh the us

606
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:21,919
put them

607
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,400
in uh the russians kept the mobile most

608
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,000
of them but the us put them in these

609
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:27,679
silos out in the uh

610
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,799
american midwest and as soon as they

611
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,480
started building these things ufos

612
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,320
started showing up over them

613
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,559
um when they started when the missiles

614
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:38,320
were installed ufos would show

615
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,360
up and and shut off the power to

616
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,520
these nuclear sites they'd change the

617
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,039
targeting on the uh

618
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:47,280
on the on the on the nosecone if you

619
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,799
believe it and um

620
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,559
and just do all kinds of strange things

621
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,320
too basically you know our national

622
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:54,159
security and it went on for years the

623
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,600
air force knew about it

624
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:58,159
parade magazine uh you know which is you

625
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,960
know a

626
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:01,039
fairly well-known uh publication sunday

627
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,559
publication here in the us

628
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,720
more so back then they did a big story

629
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:06,960
on it and peter jennings also

630
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:09,520
uh did a story on it um you know about

631
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,840
two or three years before he died and

632
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,679
you know something was happening to our

633
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:15,120
nuclear forces

634
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,720
you know that where these ufos could

635
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,720
could show up and literally shut down

636
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,880
our nuclear personnel you know and then

637
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,559
as it turns out as you say you know once

638
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,760
the soviet union fell

639
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:25,280
and we were able to get more information

640
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,720
out of that place it turns out that you

641
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:28,000
know some of the things were happening

642
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,360
over there too so

643
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,400
you know people it it really is good uh

644
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,000
grist let's say for people who say you

645
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,080
know ufos are here to prevent us you

646
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,760
know from killing each other

647
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:39,600
um i agree with you i think we've come

648
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,080
many more than several times close to

649
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,240
nuclear accidents because you know a few

650
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:46,400
ufos like starting

651
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,679
i know they they started a launch

652
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:49,520
sequence at a russian

653
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,720
icbm base in the ukraine um you know it

654
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,000
was like 20 seconds

655
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,640
before they started launching missiles

656
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,240
at the united states and all of a sudden

657
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,559
they shot them the ufo shut them down i

658
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,320
mean that's someone fooling around with

659
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,120
nuclear technology and and it's not us

660
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,880
and it's not the russians obviously so

661
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,440
it's got to be somebody and

662
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,760
who knows yeah that's just yeah who

663
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:14,400
knows you you have no idea what really

664
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,600
has happened

665
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,760
or what could have happened and uh but

666
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,120
i'm like you

667
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:22,320
i think i i think

668
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:25,520
a lot of this may actually be

669
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:28,720
either our ancestors that had

670
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,480
you know had maybe traveled to another

671
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,559
planet or another civilization

672
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,440
or our descendants evolved and are

673
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:38,880
coming back but i think

674
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,720
a lot of the disasters that could have

675
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,480
happened in our history have been

676
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,400
avoided

677
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,799
well yeah we've come close you know i

678
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,480
mean really think about it we have come

679
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:52,559
close and

680
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,919
you know in in it i i think that a lot

681
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,559
of people

682
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,240
you know me included and who wouldn't

683
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,000
want to this to be the case that

684
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,799
to think that hey maybe they are looking

685
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,039
out for us maybe the

686
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,880
you know they're here to as i say

687
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,720
prevent us from maybe wiping out the

688
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,520
planet i mean

689
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,039
they haven't been too good in preventing

690
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:12,720
us from fighting each other

691
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:15,520
but they but they do seem to look into

692
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:16,000
you know

693
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,000
ever seen that

694
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,760
that you know we've put in the books and

695
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,600
so on these things

696
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:25,200
are always just kind of observing

697
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,480
they're never taking any kind of

698
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,679
military action against

699
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,320
us against our bombers against anyone

700
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,000
they're always just kind of

701
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,799
there and in in all the stories and ufos

702
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,159
and a lot of time i think there's

703
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,720
maybe four where you know ufos have

704
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,080
actually you know kind of shot at

705
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,760
somebody and and then we have you know

706
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:43,360
hundreds of other reports where they're

707
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,559
just kind of

708
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,080
you know looking in you know just kind

709
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:48,000
of looking in watching us what we're

710
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,799
doing

711
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,880
and um and that's it that that time

712
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,799
travel thing or the time tourist thing

713
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:55,120
i think would be would be an interesting

714
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,320
if it turned out to be something like

715
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,159
that i think it'd be very cool

716
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,159
well i i'll be honest with you i have

717
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,640
heard a few stories of something similar

718
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:03,760
to that

719
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,360
like uh where experiences would tell me

720
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,279
that they would see these things he

721
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,200
seems to come through portals and it's

722
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,760
almost like they were taking a tour like

723
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,760
they were fascinated with with us and

724
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,360
how we live and

725
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,200
you know and you know when you first

726
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:21,039
hear something like that you think uh

727
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,840
come on

728
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,919
but when you start hearing more and more

729
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:25,840
and more of it and

730
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,120
you know it's and it it's something it's

731
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,720
got to be something to it

732
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:33,279
it really does right it's uh someone

733
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,559
once um

734
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,880
you know i was in some discussion

735
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:38,080
somewhere in and

736
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,520
uh we might have put this in the book

737
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,320
too they they equated it to

738
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:45,360
um if one of us won a safari okay you

739
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,240
know so if

740
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:48,000
whatever if we were gonna go on a safari

741
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:49,600
we would get on a plane we'd left in the

742
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,320
us we'd

743
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:52,400
go to africa we'd land we'd get on one

744
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,679
of those um

745
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,679
buses that goes out in the savannah

746
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,600
right and uh

747
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,120
you know you watch the you know the

748
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:01,120
lions eat the antelopes and that kind of

749
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,480
stuff right you see

750
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:05,279
now now those those animals you know

751
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,000
they're they're all

752
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,600
they're used to it if you see that like

753
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,600
a national geographic or something the

754
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,279
the the big cats will come right up to

755
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,360
the trucks okay

756
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,919
you know and and and they're almost like

757
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,279
you know they don't know the

758
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,799
the animals don't know what we're doing

759
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,240
there they don't have any sense of a

760
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,480
safari or people you know being tourists

761
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,600
or anything they're just

762
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,760
there and they go about their daily

763
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:27,279
business and they have sometimes it

764
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:28,400
happens to be a truck there well it's

765
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,720
like

766
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,640
it could be the same for us you know we

767
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,559
see ufos all the time maybe just like

768
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,760
the animals can't

769
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,600
you know understand what a how a truck

770
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,279
works and what a tourist is maybe we

771
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,880
can't understand what a ufo is but

772
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:40,159
they're there all the time they're

773
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:41,679
watching us just like you know

774
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,480
someone on safari watches uh the animals

775
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,320
you know running around the the you know

776
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,840
the savannah or whatever

777
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,440
so it could be something like that it's

778
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,200
just something that

779
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:53,760
we don't you know we're not of a higher

780
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:54,640
intelligence

781
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,760
enough to understand what ufos are just

782
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,039
like the animals don't know what the

783
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,520
hell we are really

784
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,200
now you know i didn't get a chance to

785
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:05,120
read this chapter but the title kind of

786
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,159
intrigues me

787
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,760
and i may have an idea of what you're

788
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,760
talking about it's titled my beef with

789
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,880
spielberg

790
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,360
oh geez okay with this having to do with

791
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:15,360
uh close encounters

792
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,039
uh yeah um see this is uh that's

793
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:21,120
you know that's there are there are some

794
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,399
stories in there that are just

795
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:25,039
like kind of my own personal stories and

796
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,760
um

797
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,559
i i went to uh and they make fun of me

798
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:30,000
on a radio show

799
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:31,200
you know all the time when i bring this

800
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,559
up but i went to film school i went to

801
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:34,480
emerson college in boston for graduate

802
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,200
school

803
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,960
and you know just it was cool it was

804
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,880
three years of you know watching movies

805
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:40,559
and learning how movies

806
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,679
you know were made and so on and um so

807
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,880
you know i get a little bit of knowledge

808
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,640
about how you know behind the scenes how

809
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,320
movies put together so when you see so

810
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,159
anytime i see a movie

811
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,480
you know i i'm i look for the mistakes

812
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,760
you know what i mean i i really it's

813
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,440
hard for me to enjoy a movie because i'm

814
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:58,240
always looking for the goof up

815
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,440
so but you know i'm the same way

816
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:04,000
yeah and and you know and there's some

817
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,760
movies that you know they're bad but you

818
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:07,360
know they're good at the same time and

819
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:07,919
you don't

820
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,919
i love grade b movies you know gravy

821
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,200
sci-fi movies

822
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,200
i just love that kind of stuff but with

823
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,559
spielberg you know he's

824
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:17,919
obviously one of the most successful

825
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,399
directors ever and he does big budget

826
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,000
films and so on

827
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,279
but in my mind you know he he's

828
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,520
he's a he's a successful director but

829
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,279
he's not a great director because he he

830
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,039
has a hard time telling a story if you

831
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,520
really look at his some of his movies

832
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,600
uh in close encounters is the perfect

833
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,960
example when you

834
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:39,200
i love that movie i did part of my

835
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:40,320
dissertation

836
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:43,760
on close encounters but if you sit and

837
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,720
watch it

838
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,799
it it really doesn't make a lot of sense

839
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:49,039
in and it's an unbalanced movie and i

840
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,000
know it came out

841
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:52,000
you know the mid 70s and probably people

842
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:53,679
listening to us now maybe have never

843
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,320
seen it

844
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,399
i would say go see it you know but it's

845
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,320
it's don't expect any good effects

846
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,840
because there was very very primitive

847
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,120
special effects

848
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,840
but the story is just a lot of the story

849
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,279
has to do with richard dreyfus you know

850
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,640
building mountains made up

851
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:08,640
out of potatoes in his mashed potatoes

852
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:09,679
in his house i mean

853
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:12,399
as crazy as that sounds that somehow

854
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,520
links to this

855
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,000
landing of this majestic flying saucer

856
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,240
out on devil's tower in wyoming

857
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,440
um it's it's not told in the right way

858
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,600
and maybe only film students like me can

859
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:24,480
you know

860
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,720
encounters with with ai

861
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:30,640
when he did ai which is basically taking

862
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,640
stanley kubrick's uh

863
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:35,440
script and and making the movie ai them

864
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,559
that movie is terrible

865
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,919
i mean if you sit there and watch that

866
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,559
there's so many plot holes in it and

867
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:43,039
and and it like missing scenes and stuff

868
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,919
like that

869
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,000
um you know what were the worlds with

870
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,600
tom cruise which was a pretty good movie

871
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,000
it's a great movie special effects wise

872
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,640
but um you know and and that was a very

873
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:54,640
successful movie but

874
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,159
at the end you know uh we talk about how

875
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,760
you know the martians have like

876
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,840
absolutely destroyed the earth

877
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,360
they've destroyed the earth and

878
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,279
especially boston where i'm from if you

879
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,960
can't tell by my accent

880
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,520
and you know in tom cruise basically the

881
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,760
movie is tom cruise taking his kids

882
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,440
he's divorced he's taking his kids to

883
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,880
the safety of their mother in

884
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,880
in boston he has this long trip and you

885
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,799
know runs into the aliens and so on

886
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,279
and at the end when he finally does

887
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,960
return the kids

888
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,720
the mother comes down now this is this

889
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,480
is every place has been destroyed except

890
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,240
this pot this little piece of bus and i

891
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,760
guess where the father is

892
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,279
and it's like nothing's happened there's

893
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,200
like a few more leaves on the

894
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,080
street and you know that's it you know

895
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:37,760
and and she comes out and she's all

896
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:38,320
dressed and

897
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,600
you know she might have had she might as

898
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:41,360
well have like a cup of coffee you know

899
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:42,320
you know

900
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,520
it it was just so it just didn't match

901
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,120
up it just doesn't match up and i know

902
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,039
he want to do that big ending and it's

903
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,640
it's really basically the ending of the

904
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,919
movie the searches

905
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,679
with john wayne he just kind of copped

906
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,240
that but it's not good movie making it's

907
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:57,919
successful movie making but it's not

908
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,559
good movie

909
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:00,320
making so that's my beef with him that's

910
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:01,440
the long way of telling you that's what

911
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,840
might be

912
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,080
that movie is kind of so anti-climatic

913
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,320
too i mean at the end you know they just

914
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,320
a bacteria got to them and that right

915
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,679
you know yeah i mean

916
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,279
that's the and that was it i mean and

917
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,880
that's from the original story in the in

918
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:14,159
the the movie that they made in the

919
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,440
early 50s with

920
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,919
gene barry right is a really good movie

921
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,760
you know that sticks a little bit more

922
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,440
towards to the um

923
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,480
to the original um and and it has some

924
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,000
cool special effects in it even though

925
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,840
it's like early 50s and

926
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,840
um you know and that's a really kind of

927
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,159
um compelling movie the first one

928
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:34,080
and the one with tom cruise is too they

929
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,440
make a big mistake at the beginning

930
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,960
because at the very beginning tom

931
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:37,840
cruise's uh

932
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,640
character runs one of those uh cranes

933
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,679
like at the port of

934
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,600
bayonne i think you know right those

935
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,279
whole cranes that take those uh you know

936
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,519
containers off the container ships

937
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,120
and then it shows him and he's he goes

938
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,519
home to his let's say his modest house

939
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,960
and i've never seen that and i wanted to

940
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,559
say you know if i had spielberg in front

941
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:55,919
of me i'd say do you have any idea how

942
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,320
much

943
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:59,200
money those guys make they're not living

944
00:32:01,430 --> 00:32:00,000
in bayonne

945
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:01,440
i'm sorry they're not you know they make

946
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,480
about 150 grand a year yeah longshoremen

947
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,960
do pretty well yeah yeah and the guy in

948
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,559
those crane operators you know

949
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:11,279
are at top of the heap so yeah they kind

950
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:12,640
of get that wrong and it's stuff like

951
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,200
that

952
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,960
and he has stuff in his movies where i i

953
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,320
know you can just tell he

954
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,760
is he's saying oh you know we'll let the

955
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,960
audience figure it out you're not

956
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:20,399
supposed to do that in movies you

957
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,679
if you put something on the screen you

958
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,080
have to explain it you know

959
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,880
i tell you my biggest beaver spielberg

960
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,480
and i love his movies but i tell you

961
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,840
poltergeist

962
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:32,159
was the movie that really got me because

963
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,600
you know

964
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:35,760
that whole phenomena in that poltergeist

965
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,240
movie has nothing to do with poltergeist

966
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,720
right yeah you know sure it's like they

967
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,480
built the house on top of

968
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,039
a cemetery that they kept the bodies in

969
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:46,720
and never removed the bodies

970
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:50,080
well i'm sorry that's not a poltergeist

971
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:53,200
and uh you know i i guess they had to

972
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,399
use the name

973
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,360
you know i had talked to uh one of the

974
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,039
associates

975
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,600
uh the guy by the name of victor who i

976
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,000
did the movie with spielberg

977
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:07,120
and they actually there was a big

978
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:07,840
discussion

979
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:10,960
not using the the actual name the uh

980
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,519
book for that movie because it really

981
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,200
had nothing to do with portuguese and i

982
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,039
think they realized that

983
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,279
but uh yeah it that's something that's

984
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:21,120
always bothered me well they need a name

985
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,320
you know they needed a cool

986
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,360
name and and they used it you know

987
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,840
now some of uh spielberg's movies are

988
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,840
rubbed like a minority report which is

989
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,960
something that

990
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,480
a lot of people really haven't seen but

991
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,919
that's a great movie that's one of his

992
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:35,600
best movies that i've seen him uh i

993
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:36,640
agree with you

994
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,919
um but um you know saving private ryan

995
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,799
just you nothing

996
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,360
down this road too far but if you watch

997
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:45,360
private ryan which is a great anti-war

998
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,480
movie you know i think that should be

999
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,000
shown to every high school kid before

1000
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,600
you go join the marines or the army or

1001
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,880
whatever you know watch that movie

1002
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,399
because it really depicts

1003
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,399
as close as i think you can possibly get

1004
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,080
to what real war is you know people just

1005
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,519
sudden death and

1006
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,440
just gory and terrible you know it's not

1007
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:02,080
all this heroism uh stuff so they depict

1008
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,440
that very well but

1009
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,600
the point of the movie is that that you

1010
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:07,200
know there are four brothers three of

1011
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,639
them have been killed in action so they

1012
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,560
got to go get private ryan the last

1013
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,800
brother because you know basically

1014
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,560
the the white house doesn't want the bad

1015
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,119
publicity of four kids dying so

1016
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,679
you know the message comes to the d-day

1017
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,599
landing site you have to go and get this

1018
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,040
guy and bring him back you got to go

1019
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,960
find him okay and the president wants

1020
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,320
you to do this okay

1021
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,040
so they sent out five guys on foot no

1022
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,000
you'd send like 40 tanks

1023
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,800
i mean seriously right yeah yeah he went

1024
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,560
five guys on foot

1025
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,240
you know and they don't even say them as

1026
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,839
it you know as it turns out you know

1027
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:41,919
there's one you know so it's stuff like

1028
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,190
yeah you look at movies the same way i

1029
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,879
do i mean it's

1030
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,280
you know there was an another movie that

1031
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,440
you know i i enjoy the movie it's got a

1032
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:54,879
good story to it

1033
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,400
but it's just so much fluff to it

1034
00:35:01,829 --> 00:35:00,000
and that's the independent statement

1035
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:01,839
first of all the second one is nothing

1036
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,480
but right

1037
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:05,119
they're just so much fluff to it yep and

1038
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:05,839
uh it's

1039
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,680
um anyone that's interested in ufos and

1040
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:11,680
possible experience

1041
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,560
i mean come on that's it's just

1042
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,000
impossible to even believe

1043
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,320
all that right the fact that if they had

1044
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,400
that technology

1045
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:23,280
we wouldn't even have a fight we

1046
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,079
wouldn't have

1047
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,320
any any way of even fighting them at all

1048
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,680
right right so i mean

1049
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,520
see that's that's there's a perfect

1050
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,359
example of you know someone said

1051
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,599
let's do a summer blockbuster movie and

1052
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,880
and you know talking about

1053
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,560
spielberg real quick jaws was like the

1054
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,560
first summer blockbuster movie looking

1055
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,000
back on it now it seems like

1056
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:42,079
they've been with us forever but by

1057
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:43,520
mistake that movie was supposed to come

1058
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,000
out in in

1059
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:47,040
like february and he was oh he was uh

1060
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:47,520
over

1061
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,960
um the deadline and so they had to delay

1062
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:53,359
the release of jaws uh to the summer of

1063
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,560
i think 75

1064
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:56,079
and and they they didn't know what they

1065
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,440
were doing but what they were doing was

1066
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,960
they were creating this whole idea of a

1067
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,400
summer blockbuster because it was the

1068
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,000
first summer blockbuster

1069
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,520
people didn't want to go swimming people

1070
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,040
didn't want to go into the ocean

1071
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,800
it's like a real you know kind of you

1072
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:08,960
know cultural thing you know so

1073
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,760
we you know we can't but but you know

1074
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,520
independence day i didn't see the second

1075
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,359
one because the first one was bad enough

1076
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,880
it's like all right you know they just

1077
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,640
threw millions of dollars you know lots

1078
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,320
of special effects and so on but if you

1079
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,880
look at the story the story like is

1080
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:25,119
i mean there's coincidences and people

1081
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:26,000
like bump into

1082
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,440
each other and you know happen to have

1083
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,280
this information it's like oh

1084
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,599
man come on put a little thought into it

1085
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,640
please

1086
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:35,040
you know i was uh it's funny i was in

1087
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,800
plymouth massachusetts

1088
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,280
for about two weeks the summer after the

1089
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:41,359
movie was released

1090
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,599
and uh those beaches were empty

1091
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:48,000
yeah yeah okay well that's true i mean

1092
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,280
they were empty

1093
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,640
that's where we live you know and i i

1094
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,720
gotta say in their defense the water's

1095
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,640
really cold up here man you know

1096
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,480
i know even in the summer you can jump

1097
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,400
in that water and it's like oh man

1098
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,320
it's like jumping into a bucket of ice

1099
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,599
cubes or something

1100
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:04,000
well you know it's funny because you

1101
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,119
know we

1102
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,400
of course the story was that foot great

1103
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:10,160
white but i tell you they got some damn

1104
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:11,280
big fish in

1105
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,320
in that in cape cod bed oh yeah yeah i

1106
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,800
saw some really big sharks while i was

1107
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,920
well i was there during those two weeks

1108
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:22,560
right so um yeah but they spooked them i

1109
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,839
um

1110
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,079
that movie that was an amazing movie i

1111
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,920
mean i just happened to have been in new

1112
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,119
york that

1113
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:32,079
i maybe it was just a day or two when

1114
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:32,960
the movie came

1115
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,839
out i mean they had lines like three

1116
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,640
blocks down the street it was

1117
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,960
amazing yeah yeah oh yeah because you

1118
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,680
know peop

1119
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,280
people are saying wow you know we can't

1120
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,720
go you know we can't go in the water

1121
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:44,079
because of shocks well let's go see the

1122
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:44,880
movie you know

1123
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:47,599
i mean it is the perfect storm of you

1124
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:47,920
know

1125
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:54,079
fell upon this and it made spielberg

1126
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,800
what he is

1127
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,480
you know sure i mean let's face it you

1128
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:58,320
know and they made i think four or five

1129
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,119
of them two

1130
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,839
uh maybe four of them uh oh i had to the

1131
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,599
first one i didn't bother

1132
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:06,240
yeah oh the third one some reason i saw

1133
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,680
the third one i was like oh this is

1134
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,040
terrible

1135
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,960
i just saw the first one a year ago i

1136
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,640
hadn't i hadn't seen it and then this it

1137
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,320
was funny this summer we went down to

1138
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:16,320
martha's vineyard and uh for a few days

1139
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,960
and

1140
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,320
i've never been out there but you know

1141
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:20,000
you you're right there where they filmed

1142
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,480
it they

1143
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,240
you know the bridge the beach and

1144
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:23,839
everything it's like he filmed it right

1145
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,160
there

1146
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:27,359
in uh uh oak bluffs uh martha's vineyard

1147
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:28,000
so

1148
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,079
it's kind of cool to see you know the

1149
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,640
you know the the actual uh setting of

1150
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,000
the place but

1151
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,640
you know jaws and uh you know a

1152
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,160
blockbuster movie but not a perfect

1153
00:38:42,430 --> 00:38:39,920
movie

1154
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,440
now you have a chapter about uh nasa

1155
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,240
conspiracies

1156
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,599
um and i don't know how much of it you

1157
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,920
i you know i really don't believe much

1158
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:50,720
of

1159
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,520
conspiracies

1160
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,920
but i i gotta talk to you about it

1161
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,040
because

1162
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,839
of course there's a lot of people that

1163
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:03,440
believe the mood landings were

1164
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,800
fake what do you think about that

1165
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:09,200
um no then they weren't a fake they

1166
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,920
actually

1167
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,480
went to the moon um and there's lots and

1168
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,079
lots of evidence of it

1169
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:16,400
one of them is is that one of the apollo

1170
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:18,640
landings there they actually put a laser

1171
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,680
reflector on the moon uh and you know

1172
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,920
scientists every day around the world

1173
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,760
shoot laser beams up at this thing

1174
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,800
and um and and laser beam comes back and

1175
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:30,160
they measure the time it goes up and

1176
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:31,280
down and that's how they can tell the

1177
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,839
distance

1178
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:34,480
right uh from the earth to the moon uh

1179
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,440
there's a

1180
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:38,400
um japanese satellite that is in low

1181
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,599
orbit around the moon

1182
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,079
and has been for years and i think

1183
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:43,920
there's a website where you can go on it

1184
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,320
and

1185
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:47,280
actually you know see it in live real

1186
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,839
time

1187
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,440
and you know occasionally they'll go

1188
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:51,359
over you know an apollo landing site and

1189
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,000
the stuff is

1190
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,839
still there a lot of the equipment is

1191
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,599
still there um

1192
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:57,680
you know and then we talk about

1193
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,200
conspiracies a lot on our radio show and

1194
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:03,599
we always come down to this is that you

1195
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,400
know the

1196
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,079
the number of people that would have to

1197
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,680
be involved in

1198
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:10,240
a conspiracy to fake the moon landings

1199
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,880
you know

1200
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,160
you're not talking about like a dozen

1201
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,760
people you're talking about thousands of

1202
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,359
people who have to would have to

1203
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:17,440
be involved in this conspiracy to fool

1204
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,480
everybody

1205
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:21,359
to fool you know i mean people saw the

1206
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,640
rocket take off

1207
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,480
people see the astronauts going into the

1208
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:26,400
satin five rockets they see it go out

1209
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,359
where do they go

1210
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:30,079
yes during during all this you know

1211
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:31,359
where they're supposed to be doing this

1212
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,079
in the in

1213
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,680
a movie set or something like that you

1214
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,359
know uh so

1215
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,599
uh no that they went there and and

1216
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:39,040
because and here's another thing too

1217
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,400
not only would this have to be like a

1218
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:42,240
massive conspiracy you probably have to

1219
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:44,319
involve as many people in the conspiracy

1220
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,280
as you would involve

1221
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,359
actually getting somebody on the moon

1222
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,520
and in all this time

1223
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,680
uh you know no one has ev no one has

1224
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:53,200
ever stepped forward and said i was part

1225
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,839
of the moon

1226
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,760
landing conspiracy here's all the

1227
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:58,160
evidence cut and drive 100

1228
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:59,520
you know it's always these things well

1229
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,040
there's no stars in the background

1230
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:02,880
there's no this there's no that

1231
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,240
um you know there's reasons for that

1232
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,240
and um i think because the the

1233
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,160
reflection off of the

1234
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,400
uh the the powder on the moon actually

1235
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,160
washes out the stars

1236
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,560
um they were there and this the

1237
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,240
equipment is still there

1238
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:21,280
and there's just you know so much proof

1239
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:21,760
that

1240
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:24,960
know it's in my opinion it's kind of

1241
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,599
nutty to

1242
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,480
think that it didn't yeah and but

1243
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:29,920
there's you know there's one thing about

1244
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:30,960
the apollo

1245
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,000
program that i do believe

1246
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,119
is that there's there's a lot that i

1247
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:39,040
believe they did find

1248
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:42,640
that just hasn't been disclosed well the

1249
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,000
the astronauts uh have said that um

1250
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,160
uh you know that that they were followed

1251
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:50,319
by you know objects all the way

1252
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,200
um you know from earth to the moon um

1253
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,800
you know they weren't flying saucers but

1254
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,079
they were you know

1255
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,760
i know at least in a couple of them the

1256
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,079
astronauts would just kind of routinely

1257
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,000
say you know we see something it's been

1258
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,000
trailing us uh you know since

1259
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,680
you know we left earth orbit or whatever

1260
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,839
and and yeah that's really kind of uh

1261
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,599
against the laws of physics unless the

1262
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,720
thing has its own kind of

1263
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,520
propulsion um you know why how would it

1264
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,800
be following the um

1265
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:17,040
you know the apollo uh capsule you know

1266
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:19,359
so and and there are times and even if

1267
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,480
there are times during

1268
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:23,119
uh then when the astronauts would go to

1269
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,400
a special channel

1270
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,319
and um for the most part all the

1271
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:28,000
communications were a public you know

1272
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:29,440
people anyone could listen to them but

1273
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,079
they

1274
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,520
have

1275
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,079
let's say confidential uh conversation

1276
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:38,079
and the international space station does

1277
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,119
the same thing they go to

1278
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,960
you know some kind of channel a

1279
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,720
different channel and they have a

1280
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,720
private conversation you know so you

1281
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,000
think well

1282
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,920
what are they talking about you know i

1283
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,359
mean

1284
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,880
what are they talking about what else

1285
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:53,040
could they be talking about

1286
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,119
you know well you you know the earlier

1287
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:58,720
flights uh

1288
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:02,240
especially the apollo 8 flight that

1289
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,200
orbited the moon uh so they you know

1290
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,800
they could go to the dark side

1291
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,520
around and judge to wear it what kind of

1292
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:11,520
uh

1293
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,790
propulsion they would need to get back

1294
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,480
and such but

1295
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:20,560
there there was a lot to that one too i

1296
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,640
mean frank borman has had kind of been

1297
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,640
he's kind of been quiet about that all

1298
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,079
these years

1299
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,720
about some of the things that occurred

1300
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,560
during that mission

1301
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:35,359
um and that's what kind of interests me

1302
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:36,160
now with

1303
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,599
the chinese the chinese uh

1304
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,640
visiting now on the dark side

1305
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:45,839
and what is there right um

1306
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,200
you know it's like it's it's

1307
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:51,920
it's basically the side we never see you

1308
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,319
know

1309
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,720
i mean because the the the the moon

1310
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,160
revolves as

1311
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,319
the earth revolves but the the strain

1312
00:44:00,950 --> 00:44:00,319
the you know unusual thing let's say is

1313
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:00,960
that

1314
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,680
you know we revolve at the same speed so

1315
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,240
one face is always pointing towards us

1316
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,880
right right so but that other side you

1317
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:10,400
know it isn't in the dark all the time

1318
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,200
it's just like

1319
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,359
we can't see it when it's in the light

1320
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:15,760
so but you know we've run around there

1321
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,640
we've

1322
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,880
you know a lot of the all the apollo

1323
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:19,839
missions you know

1324
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,960
went in orbit around the moon um and now

1325
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,400
this chinese you know thing

1326
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,000
i think it's an interesting place to

1327
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:28,079
land a space capital say the truth or a

1328
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,200
lunar rover i

1329
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,760
you know i i'll give them that much um i

1330
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,520
hate to say it but i think that

1331
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:35,119
you know that there's going to be well

1332
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,109
wow um that that uh

1333
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:45,839
um you know who you know who knows what

1334
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,319
could be

1335
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,079
uh over there but this we've had

1336
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,440
satellites you know

1337
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,520
revolving around the moon and all of the

1338
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:53,040
moon really has been

1339
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:55,839
um photographed and and and kind of

1340
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,640
documented and documented and mapped

1341
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,720
um but i i was going to say i hate to

1342
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,640
say but i think the chinese and

1343
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,800
if if the us doesn't get their acting

1344
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,160
gear and if nasa

1345
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,640
yeah nasa is just you know kind of this

1346
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,400
this semi-government agency that you

1347
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,839
know sucks a lot of money and you know

1348
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,599
what have we done what have we done in

1349
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:14,960
the world since the space shuttle what

1350
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,680
have we done

1351
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:16,960
it's going to be the chinese who are

1352
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,920
going to you know i was talking about

1353
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,040
going to mars they're probably going to

1354
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,880
be the first people on mars

1355
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,119
that may very well be because you're

1356
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:25,280
going to have to set up a station of

1357
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,400
some type

1358
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,960
on on the moon to be able to get to mars

1359
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,920
i believe

1360
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,760
well that's yeah that's one of the plans

1361
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,200
you know and it's it's

1362
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,599
it's a little bit easier to lift a large

1363
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,119
payload off of the moon

1364
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,280
to go to the mars than it does for the

1365
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,960
united states so the idea is like go

1366
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,560
back to the moon build up a large

1367
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:44,400
payload rocket and so on and then launch

1368
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:45,280
from there

1369
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:47,599
to go to mars but my question is is we

1370
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,560
were on the moon

1371
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,640
you know we landed on the moon in 1969

1372
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,720
and then nixon because you know

1373
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,960
because he was you know who knows what

1374
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:57,200
he cut off all funding for all apollo

1375
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,400
flights afterwards

1376
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,480
you know we were supposed to suppose

1377
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,560
like apollo 22 23 and

1378
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,480
the plan was just to keep on going there

1379
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,920
to set up a base

1380
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:07,680
but you know they they cut the funding

1381
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,240
just at the absolutely wrong time now we

1382
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,839
have to go through all this to get back

1383
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,960
to the moon

1384
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,800
and then from the moon go to mars you

1385
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:17,520
know there's a lot of moving parts there

1386
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:20,960
well you know i i'm of the theory and

1387
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:24,160
i've only only you know had this theory

1388
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:24,800
for

1389
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,359
the past several years that i believe

1390
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:28,560
that

1391
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,359
these space um

1392
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,319
agency worldwide are just working

1393
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,599
together now

1394
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:40,079
i mean for everything and i'm just not

1395
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,119
saying

1396
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:43,520
the fact that you know we spent time on

1397
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,560
the uh

1398
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,880
the sky lab and in the in the

1399
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,880
international space station together

1400
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:49,839
here and there

1401
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,680
i i think there's been a conglomeration

1402
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,760
for a lot of years

1403
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,680
and i believe a lot of that started

1404
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:58,880
right after

1405
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,160
the apollo missions um

1406
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:05,200
i think there's something to that yeah

1407
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:05,599
well

1408
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,640
you know uh i i don't know i

1409
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:11,359
i just know that the the whole idea is

1410
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,560
that

1411
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,400
it takes a lot of time it takes a lot of

1412
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:16,160
money takes a lot of technology and so

1413
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,640
on

1414
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,720
you know like even just to put the space

1415
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:20,559
shuttle up okay

1416
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,720
and what i always think is that um

1417
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,960
you know if if we really had you know

1418
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,480
not to disagree with you but if

1419
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,559
if we really had some kind of uh you

1420
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,640
know technology either from

1421
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:34,640
you know this conglomeration of space

1422
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,680
programs or left

1423
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,720
you know or something that's been

1424
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,640
re-engineered from a ufo or whatever

1425
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:40,079
would we have really spent those

1426
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,280
billions of dollars

1427
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,520
over like 25 years to launch this dump

1428
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,800
truck which was the space shuttle

1429
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,559
basically what it was you're launching a

1430
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,319
dump truck into orbit

1431
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,599
you know wouldn't we be flying around

1432
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,760
the solar system if we had the kind of

1433
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:55,520
technology that some people say well you

1434
00:48:03,270 --> 00:47:56,480
would think

1435
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:03,280
the space shuttle what you know when you

1436
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,000
look at it

1437
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,240
as a whole what did it really accomplish

1438
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:08,079
other than sending payloads

1439
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,680
to the uh well that was it

1440
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,200
that's all it did i mean it it it

1441
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,720
brought payloads that's what i mean

1442
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,400
it was a dump truck in space you know

1443
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:19,040
yeah did a lot of military missions you

1444
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,559
know there was a lot of those were

1445
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:22,160
secret military missions where the

1446
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,839
military would literally lease

1447
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,240
the space shuttle and launch you know

1448
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,680
who knows what you know

1449
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,040
and one of the other things we talk

1450
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,359
about in the book is that

1451
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,119
the military now has this thing called

1452
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:35,920
the x-37b

1453
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,880
and um and it looks like a miniature

1454
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:40,559
space shuttle it looks like a space

1455
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:41,359
shuttle

1456
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:45,359
25 size okay quarter size now this thing

1457
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,119
is launched out of vandenberg air force

1458
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:48,880
base out in california

1459
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,319
it just broke the record for the longest

1460
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:54,240
spacecraft in flight it was actually in

1461
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:55,839
orbit for a year

1462
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,880
it's it's robotic but

1463
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,880
one of our co-hosts commander cobra who

1464
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,079
is someone who works

1465
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,920
it was in the military and works closely

1466
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,680
still with the military he

1467
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:08,079
swears that you know in the you know in

1468
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,880
about

1469
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,400
several hours you could actually turn

1470
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:12,720
this thing into a manned spacecraft

1471
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:15,440
and no one really knows what it does now

1472
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,000
the theory

1473
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,000
is is that this thing can actually go up

1474
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,079
there and cozy up to

1475
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,400
let's say adversaries adversaries

1476
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,480
satellites and you know

1477
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,520
steal their information disable them

1478
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:29,680
you know steal the technology who knows

1479
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,559
you know that's

1480
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,319
but it has to be something along those

1481
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,839
lines the military says that they're

1482
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,160
doing atmospheric research

1483
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,160
which is not even a good spin story you

1484
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,079
know but it's doing something now that's

1485
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,920
that's really kind of cool technology

1486
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,520
when you know when you think about it

1487
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,680
right and no one can touch that no one

1488
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,280
can the chinese can put a

1489
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,640
something on the backside of the mood

1490
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,200
but this thing is up there all the time

1491
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:54,240
all the time uh doing who knows what you

1492
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:54,640
know

1493
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:58,000
that is the space force

1494
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:59,119
if you know what i mean you know this

1495
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,559
stuff is going on you know you don't

1496
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,240
really need a space for us we have a

1497
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:04,160
space force we have u.s space command

1498
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,599
and it's been around for a long long

1499
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,319
time um you know if you want to have a

1500
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,599
real cool space for us

1501
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:11,359
put money into that because these people

1502
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,720
they're already there you don't have to

1503
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:15,599
start from square one

1504
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,119
well you know i i think um

1505
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,800
and and i don't know how how much of

1506
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,800
this you agree with with

1507
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:25,040
the fact that a lot of corporations and

1508
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:26,960
private money is going in

1509
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,839
to space exploration you know i'm wary

1510
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:31,200
of that

1511
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:34,960
for the most part i i don't know if

1512
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:38,240
it's more of an exploration or if

1513
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:39,680
there's a monetary

1514
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,760
more of a monetary reason behind it

1515
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,760
um you know they've been talking for

1516
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:47,280
years about mining

1517
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,480
asteroids and such so right i don't know

1518
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,640
it's always a monetary thing yeah you

1519
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:54,400
know you would think well private

1520
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,359
industry

1521
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,440
that's the only reason they would do it

1522
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:58,720
and and at some point

1523
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:01,599
i think they will start mining asteroids

1524
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:02,000
um

1525
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,680
you know there's some asteroids that are

1526
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,599
just you know completely

1527
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,079
comprised of like nickel you know and

1528
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,079
all these kind of exotic things but

1529
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:13,520
um you know someone said too is um that

1530
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,040
um that they suspect some asteroids

1531
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,920
are may have lots of diamonds in them

1532
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:21,440
and in fact there's a star out there

1533
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,400
that people think

1534
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,720
that you know astrophysicists think is

1535
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,480
is made of diamond

1536
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,640
and or a planet going around the star

1537
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,400
but the thing is is let's say that you

1538
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,079
found an asteroid that was you know had

1539
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,760
that was just full of diamonds

1540
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,280
and you stop mining them bring them back

1541
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,599
to earth well that's going to make

1542
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,599
you know the rarity of diamonds on a

1543
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,599
whole not be as rare anymore

1544
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,359
exactly what i mean so they won't be you

1545
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,119
know so it's like wow

1546
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,800
you know how do you handle that you know

1547
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,480
well i mean i guess you could use it for

1548
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,200
industrial use but yeah i don't know

1549
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:53,440
that seems yeah i agree with you i mean

1550
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:54,319
that's like any

1551
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,599
any rare metal or gemstone

1552
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,119
they just start finding a bunch of them

1553
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,640
they're just going to tank the market

1554
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:03,040
right oh yeah yeah exactly you know so

1555
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,400
you gotta be quick careful with your

1556
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,000
mind up there but i guess if you could

1557
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:08,160
corral an asteroid that was made of you

1558
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,119
know different kinds of

1559
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:11,119
very strong iron and nickel and these

1560
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,640
things that you know a lot of them go

1561
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,119
into our smartphones and stuff like that

1562
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,880
then there's your monetary incentive

1563
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:18,800
right now yeah

1564
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:22,160
yeah the um

1565
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:25,839
what are your thoughts on our technology

1566
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:29,040
in other words it does seem that ever

1567
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:29,920
since

1568
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:33,280
when i'll say roswell and uh

1569
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:37,839
that we've our technology just seems to

1570
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:41,040
quadruple every couple of years is it

1571
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,640
something that we're getting from

1572
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,760
somewhere else

1573
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,400
or is it just that we're getting smarter

1574
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:47,839
i think we're getting smarter

1575
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,359
you know um i i don't think um

1576
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,680
you know this is probably uh you know a

1577
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,960
subject for another show but

1578
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,160
i don't think anything happened to

1579
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,480
roswell other than what you know

1580
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,480
the the military come out and finally

1581
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,839
said it was is one of these secret

1582
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,880
balloons

1583
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,720
and you know that's what the debris was

1584
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:06,079
and so on and so forth

1585
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,440
and and again i don't think that we

1586
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,960
would have this reverse engineered

1587
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,400
technology because

1588
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,160
i don't see it around i i know we've all

1589
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,079
gotten we've gotten smarter but

1590
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,920
once again if you had we're able to

1591
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,760
reverse engineer a ufo you know why

1592
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,599
don't we have anti-gravity why don't we

1593
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:21,040
have you know these kind of weird

1594
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,000
propulsion

1595
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,920
systems why other why are we launching

1596
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:25,359
the dump truck into space

1597
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,559
you know i don't think you would go

1598
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,720
through all that just to keep hidden

1599
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,240
that we have this kind of

1600
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,280
you know ufo technology um

1601
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,839
but you know and it also in my mind too

1602
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,079
and it sounds strange because

1603
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:40,240
you know it's it's all big brother slash

1604
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,520
big company but you know

1605
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,359
it's it's kind of dissing the people who

1606
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,280
invented this stuff you know these [\h__\h]

1607
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,440
it's human beings who invented you know

1608
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,599
the semiconductors who invented

1609
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,520
you know the rockets that put us on the

1610
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:53,599
moon and you know these are humans doing

1611
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,319
this

1612
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,640
and and you know when they should give

1613
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,160
they give them some credit

1614
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,720
for doing it you know and yet some

1615
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:02,000
people want to say well you know it's

1616
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:02,960
really gonna

1617
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:05,920
re-engineer ufo technology well you know

1618
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:06,240
if

1619
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,640
moon in so long why aren't we there

1620
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,319
why aren't you and i flying back and

1621
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,480
forth every day to the moon exactly

1622
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:17,200
you know we're not well you know and if

1623
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:18,000
the one

1624
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:22,160
fascinates me more than anything is

1625
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:25,760
you look at the computers or computer

1626
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,680
that was used in the apollo landing

1627
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,920
right as compared to what we've got

1628
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:32,960
nowadays

1629
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,640
right and uh you when you

1630
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,799
sit there and look at it you wonder how

1631
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:40,400
in the hell did they ever get there and

1632
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:40,960
back

1633
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,720
yep there's more computing power in a um

1634
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,799
in a calculator than there was in the

1635
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,359
apollo the first apollo lander you know

1636
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,119
how did they do it how you're right how

1637
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,880
did they do it but they did it

1638
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,119
they did it you know and you know the

1639
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,440
computer itself was so

1640
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,760
i don't know so fundamental i mean they

1641
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:01,599
were pushing buttons

1642
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:04,960
right yeah you know to activate

1643
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:09,119
uh actuators or capacitors and it was uh

1644
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,240
it was so simple but uh

1645
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:14,079
i don't know it it but it is a

1646
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:15,440
fascinating

1647
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,720
aspect to that whole program

1648
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,400
i guess it took a lot of luck too i

1649
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,799
guess but it was uh

1650
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,280
it you know the whole power story has

1651
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:27,599
always fascinated me and uh

1652
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:30,640
i just wondered why how did they ever do

1653
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,200
it

1654
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:33,520
but you're right why haven't we gone

1655
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:34,480
back

1656
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,280
why is the money had not been spent you

1657
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,200
know for years they keep talking about

1658
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:41,760
this helium-3 that's loaded on the moon

1659
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,480
for

1660
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:44,480
when you know they could get back get

1661
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,799
there and mine this helium-3

1662
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:50,079
and for energy like

1663
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:53,119
why has there been any attempt to do

1664
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,319
that

1665
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,319
i think it's because nasa basically you

1666
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:57,680
know as uh

1667
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,799
you know is is has been our only way to

1668
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,799
for this country to get into space now

1669
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:05,200
that's true now you can see you know

1670
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,720
uh elon musk and those guys you know are

1671
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,559
flying you know supply missions to the

1672
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,400
uh international space station and then

1673
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:14,160
the guy who runs virgin airlines he's

1674
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,119
going to start

1675
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:17,280
you know booking passage for people who

1676
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,880
go up in sub-orbit and stuff like that

1677
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,160
so it is coming but it's

1678
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,640
it's very slow you know to to work into

1679
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,319
it for the private enterprise to get in

1680
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,960
there because it costs a lot of money

1681
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,799
you know but but once it happens long

1682
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,079
once it starts

1683
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:32,240
then there'll be no way of stopping it

1684
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,680
you know that's true

1685
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,160
you know and and and once someone starts

1686
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,040
really seeing dollar signs

1687
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,880
that's when you know then then it will

1688
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,559
be like the jetsons you know then it

1689
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,520
will be

1690
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:45,359
uh you know that common place to go to

1691
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,880
orbit to go to the moon i still think

1692
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:47,839
it's a fire

1693
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,920
i think it's far off and and i hate to

1694
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:51,280
say this but i don't think the americans

1695
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,480
are going to lead the charge i think

1696
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,079
it's going to be the chinese

1697
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,079
yeah i think the chinese are really

1698
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:58,880
stepping it up it just it does seem that

1699
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,359
way

1700
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,960
yep they get a lot of money they get a

1701
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,880
lot of technology a lot of their

1702
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:03,839
scientists and

1703
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,920
and professionals are actually educated

1704
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,200
in this country

1705
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,440
and um and then they go back to china

1706
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:11,520
and you know that's just the way it is

1707
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:12,240
but

1708
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,190
the chinese uh you know they're they're

1709
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:18,880
the ultimate big brother government

1710
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,960
i mean they the ultimate totalitarian

1711
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,920
government

1712
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:23,359
they they're the largest country in the

1713
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,559
world they're going to be one of the

1714
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:26,559
largest military powers in the next 30

1715
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:27,920
to 40 years if not

1716
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:31,359
sooner you know it's it's it's

1717
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,640
i think i think that the days you know

1718
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:37,119
the coming the coming century or the

1719
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,559
rest of the century is not going to be

1720
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:40,079
one for like democracy

1721
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,599
and freedom and freedom of speech and

1722
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,280
things i think it's gonna be i think

1723
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,880
it's gonna be rough 80 years to tell you

1724
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:46,160
the truth because i think the chinese

1725
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,280
are going to dominate and they're not

1726
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:48,960
going to suddenly become

1727
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:51,839
uh you know a democracy that's for sure

1728
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,480
well

1729
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:54,240
i'm afraid you're probably right because

1730
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,599
uh it it seems like um

1731
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,920
you know our time has passed for the

1732
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,000
most part and uh

1733
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,440
i i you know i'm hoping that maybe our

1734
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,440
these entrepreneurs can kind of

1735
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:09,440
push us back ahead and get us back on

1736
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,640
track but

1737
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,960
i'm not holding my breath yeah our time

1738
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:13,839
is passing

1739
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,400
it's it's it's slipping away from us yes

1740
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:18,559
it is it isn't gone yet but

1741
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,760
you know look what happened to the

1742
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,000
british empire to the roman empire to

1743
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,000
the greek empire i mean empires

1744
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,960
come and go you know we still have time

1745
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:28,079
to

1746
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:31,520
are but

1747
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,799
time is running out for sure so

1748
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,960
mack uh why don't you tell everybody how

1749
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:38,559
they can get a hold of you

1750
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,680
uh get your books and tell us what you

1751
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,079
have planned for the future

1752
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:47,040
well um the book is on sale matt

1753
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,920
maloney's uh

1754
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:49,920
haunted universe is uh the best place to

1755
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,440
go really is amazon.com

1756
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,640
barnesandnoble.com but uh really in any

1757
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,760
bookstore if they don't have

1758
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,440
you they can order it for you some of

1759
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:58,880
these bookstores now someone's telling

1760
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,520
me i

1761
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,960
have printers right in the bookstore

1762
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:02,319
where you go in and you order a book and

1763
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,599
they'll print the book for you in two

1764
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:05,599
minutes which is kind of cool

1765
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:09,040
um but really right now amazon.com is

1766
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,240
the best place to

1767
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:12,480
uh get macmillan's haunted universe and

1768
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:13,599
then we do our show

1769
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:16,559
mcimonie's uh military x-files we do it

1770
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:17,920
uh once a week we're on a bunch of

1771
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:19,839
different networks run kcr

1772
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:23,440
and dark matter and over in the uk and

1773
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,559
also up in canada

1774
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,720
and um yeah we have a lot of fun doing

1775
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:27,920
that and

1776
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,680
write called

1777
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:33,200
the wingman series which is what i've

1778
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,799
been doing for uh

1779
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,960
you know for many years i'm uh i'm going

1780
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:38,799
to start wingman 19

1781
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:41,040
very soon wingman is kind of like this

1782
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:42,720
zen fighter pilot he's the best fighter

1783
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:43,200
pilot

1784
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:47,839
ever and um and also a series called um

1785
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:50,720
code name starman which is about a

1786
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,520
military

1787
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:53,920
navy investigator with esp and that's

1788
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,839
going to be coming out soon too so

1789
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,920
i i i didn't think i was as busy as i

1790
01:00:02,470 --> 00:59:59,280
just said i am but i guess i'm

1791
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,480
i'm busy yeah i think

1792
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,400
we we all are kind of more busy than

1793
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,160
what we think we are right yeah

1794
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:08,400
yeah so mac thanks again for joining me

1795
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,440
thanks dawn

1796
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:11,520
you take care now okay we are i had a

1797
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,720
good time thanks for having me on

1798
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,799
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1803
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1804
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:30,000
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1805
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,520
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1806
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,280
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1807
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:35,359
i want to again thank mac maloney for

1808
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,799
joining me this evening

1809
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:38,559
and want to thank you for listening to

1810
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:40,839
the show good night and have a great

1811
01:00:50,510 --> 01:01:03,050
[Music]

1812
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:22,829
[Applause]

1813
01:01:22,839 --> 01:01:28,090
so